Call Today: 1-800-890-2262

Vocational Rehab Says I Have No Marketable Skills – Is That Enough to Win a Disability Case?

I have been to vocational rehab and they ran some evaluationsand they found that i have no marketable skills and i am going to mental health and i am under a case manager and a phychiatrist. Can i win disability with those problems and i also have degenerative disc disease and scolosis  Can I win disability with those problems?
–Daniel

Jonathan Ginsberg responds:  Daniel, thanks for your question.  It certainly sounds like you would have some significant problems trying to work, but I am not certain that a vocational rehab evaluation would be enough to win a Social Security disability case.  Certainly these evaluations would serve as evidence, but I think you would need support from one or more doctors or mental health professionals like your psychiatrist or phycologist..

You also don’t say how old you are – generally younger claimants have a more difficult time winning disability.

The bottom line – your vocational rehab assessments are good evidence and a judge would certainly consider those conclusions.  If this was a case I was handling, however, I would want more evidence, and medical evidence in particular.

[tags] vocational rehabilitation, will I win my disability case?, marketable skills, psychiatrist [/tags]

Does Accepting Unemployment Benefits Hurt My SSDI Case?

Should you accept unemployment benefits while your SSDI case is pending?  My experience has been that Social Security judges will have concerns if you accept unemployment compensation during your wait for your Social Security hearing.

Generally, when you apply for unemployment, you are asserting that you are ready, willing and able to work.  You may also be required to report to your local unemployment office with proof that you have looked for work and you may be required to attend vocational rehabilitation or other programs to help you resume employment.

While I think that unsuccessful work attempts can help your Social Security case by demonstrating your motivation and credibility, my sense is that if you accept money from a state unemployment agency, you demonstrate your belief that you have the capacity to work a full time job.  There are enough claimants out there that manage to find a job that they end up losing, that some judges may feel that a person collecting unemployment is looking for a specific type of job as opposed to any work.  Since Social Security disability looks to your capacity to perform any type of job, your receipt of unemployment compensation may muddy the waters.

That being said, I don’t hear judges asking about unemployment as much as I used to, now that the wait for a hearing can be two or three years.   Still, be aware that if you do apply for and receive unemployment compensation you may be asked to reconcile your claim that you cannot perform competitive work with your assertion that you are ready, willing and able to accept employment.

[tags] Social Security disability and unemployment compensation, unsuccessful work attempt [/tags]

Give Social Security Judges Clear Answers to Simple Questions

Recently I tried a disability case that demonstrates the importance of testifying clearly about your activity limitations.  My case involved a gentleman with chronic  back pain.  During our pre-hearing meeting in my office two weeks prior to the hearing, I reviewed with my client the likely questions that would be asked by the judge at the hearing.  Among the questions that we discussed were questions about his capacity for walking, standing and sitting.

My client explained to me that the answer to those questions depended on a number of factors, including the type of activity he was performing and, most importantly, whether he was well rested.  In other words, if he was well rested and had been lying down for two days, then tried to perform an activity requiring a lot of walking, he would have the capacity to walk for up to two hours at a time.  On the other hand, if he tried to perform walking activity two days in a row, his capacity on day two would only be 30 to 45 minutes.

While this type of answer makes sense to me, I don’t think that it worked very well at the actual hearing.  The judge asked the question "how long can you walk?" and my client went into a 10 minute discussion about how he could walk longer if he was rested, and less time if he wasn’t and that he hadn’t really tried to walk and he wasn’t sure exactly what his limits were because he always stopped if he back started hurting, etc., etc.

I think that a better approach would have been to forget about maximum capacity after two days rest and to interpret the question as looking into his capacity on a Thursday or Friday after a full week’s work.  His best answer would have been "I can walk about 45 minutes then I have to stop because of severe back pain. I need to stay off my feet for at least 30 to 45 minutes before I could walk again.  During the course of the day, I could not walk more than 2 hours total and those 2 hours would put me in bed before the end of the day."

At Social Security hearings, judges are trying to decide what capacity you have for work activity.  Answers need to be fit on a form.  Too many "it depends" or "I’m not sure" create confusion and, as a rule, confused minds say "no."

[tags] hearing strategy, walking capacity, social security disability, odar [/tags]

How Does a Judge Resolve Unclear or Conflicting Medical Evidence in a Disability Hearing?

Mr. Ginsberg,
I am a dwm 45, no children, no criminal record, no drug/alcohol problems. I have been diagnosed to have Major Depression, Generalized Anxiety, Schizoid Personality Disorders. I have had 23 jobs in the last ten years with several gaps of unemployment. I have had two psychological tests with conflicting results but were all deemed valid/reliable. I just had my ALJ hearing two months ago and in addition to my ongoing psychiatry treatment for the past two yrs, has ordered a mental CE, waiting for the results and a final decision. My treating psychiatrist this month sent a letter to my disability judge stating that I am a ‘diagnostic puzzle’ and have tried all pharmacological agent groups with no success. He also stated that he has been treating me for the past two yrs. He suspects I have a pervasive developmental disorder. He concluded the letter by stating that there have been no signs of malingering and I have been very compliant.

After my hearing, my disability rep. told me that I have a 50/50 chance of winning. My question to you Mr. Ginsberg, is what does the ALJ do when there are conflicting test results but they are all reliable/valid? Does he flip a coin to make a decision?

–Mike
 
Jonathan Ginsberg responds:  Mike, thank you for your question.  Your case illustrates why judges have a very difficult job.  I like to say that the word "judge" is both a noun and a verb.  The best judges look at the evidence but they also observe and listen to the claimant.   Not every claimant falls into a net category.
 
Some judges are better at this task than others.  I know some judges who will deny any case where there is conflicting or confusing evidence, while there are others who take a holistic approach to judging and they try to picture you (the claimant) trying to get through an 8 hour workday, five days a week.  Fortunately most judges try to do the right thing and will look at you as a whole person, rather than as the human manifestation of a large paper file.
 
This is also a case where a functional capacity evaluation might be appropriate.  As I regularly point out on this blog and elsewhere, Social Security disability is about your capacity to function in a work environment.  To that extent a neat and clean diagnosis is not essential.  Even if your treating psychiatrist cannot label your condition, he should be able to comment about limitations that arise from your mental health condition as a whole.  Assuming that reliability, attendance, interaction with co-workers, supervisors and the public would be impaired, he could offer an opinion that would help a judge assign an appropriate vocational profile.
 
You might also think about searching for a psychiatrist or psychologist who can be more definitive in his/her diagnosis.  There is no question that judges prefer a solid diagnosis and it may be that your case is too complex for your current physician and/or therapist.
 
If you lose, you have the right to appeal as well as to file a new application.  If your current medical record turns out to be insufficient to win your case, you and your lawyer might think about how to build a stronger record for the next attempt.
 
Good luck and let me know how it turns out.
 
[tags] functional capacity evaluation, conflicting evidence, diagnostic puzzle [/tags]
 

Survivor of Traumatic Brain Injury Considers Applying for Disability 35 Years After Accident

In 1972 at age16 I sustained head injuries from a motorboat propeller resulting in lobectomy to my right frontal and parietal lobes. I was left with epilepsy, which has been controlled with medication from ’81 to 2004 when I had 2 seizures after I was let go from my last place of employment. The main reason I was given was a lack of flexibility. I turned 50 on July 17th. I didn’t go to a neurologist as I couldn’t afford to pay a doctor to tell me I had an accident. My medical records consist of my annual check-up so I could continue to get my medication and initial surgical procedure. As I have aged my attention span has shortened as well as my focusing ability. Am I facing too large of an ordeal?

Karl

Jonathan Ginsberg responds:  Karl, thanks for your question.  I think that your case would turn on whether a treating nuerologist would be willing to fill out a functional capacity form that identifies specific work activity limitations.  On one hand, you have been able to overcome your injury with medication for over twenty years.  A judge would therefore want to know what has changed.

I think it is entirely plausible that neurological damage such as that which you describe could get worse over the years, but, again, what you and I think doesn’t really  matter – what does the doctor say.

This is probably a case where a neuropsychological evaluation would be appropriate.  I understand from what you write that finances are an issue – unfortunately I think that is you want to have a realistic chance at winning, you will need help from a treating doctor.

Finally, don’t forget that your "insurability" for Title II Disability will run out approximately four to five years after you stop working (this is called your "date last insured").  When you apply for Disability make sure to find out your date last insured and use the earliest possible onset date – such as your last day of work.

[tags] Traumatic brain injury, neurological injury and social security disability, date last insured, functional capacity, residual functional capacity [/tags]

Perceptive Judge Overcomes Poorly Prepared Vocational Witness

Yesterday, I appeared with a client at a video hearing with a judge from West Virginia.  This was actually our second hearing – the first hearing was held in August, 2006.  My client applied for benefits in July, 2003, which means that his case has been pending over 3 1/2 years.  During that time, my client and his wife had to file bankruptcy and he has exhausted all of his pension and 401(k) money.

My client worked for a large airline for almost 20 years and back in 2001, he began experiencing severe pain (neuropathy) in his feet and legs.  He subsequently fell and broke his left hip and he currently needs a knee replacement.  He is also severely depressed and basically spends his days trying to find a comfortable position.

At the initial hearing, the judge was not convinced that my client’s physical condition was severe enough to justify benefits and he was concerned that there was not enough documentation about my client’s mental health condition.  Therefore, following the hearing, the judge referred my client out for a psychological evaluation.

My client attended the psychological evaluation and in early December, the judge sent me a copy of the psychologist’s report.   As discussed extensively on this blog, the main issue in any Social Security case relates to a claimaint’s capacity to perform work.  The assessment completed by the consultative psychologist proved to be very relevant evidence.

At this, the second hearing, the judge took no testimony from my client, but he did ask several questions of the vocational expert witness (VE).  The first question – if the claimant’s psychological profile is as set out in the psychologist’s report, could he perform any type of work.  Let me interject here to say that 99% of vocational witnesses would answer “no,” because (1) the “poor” in “dealing with work stresses” and the cumulative effect of four “fairs” in other vocationally significant categories would make any kind of vocational adjustment pretty much impossible.

This VE, however, testified that 20% of sedentary jobs would remain available.  Before I had a chance to cross-examine (I would have asked him about the cumulative effect of the “fairs” and about his understanding of the word “poor”), the judge gave two more hypothetical questions, each with significant limitations.  It was fairly clear that the judge saw this as a case he was going to pay, but he needed acceptable vocational testimony.

The judge eventually got the testimony he wanted and he will pay this case.  This is a good example of how a knowledgeable judge was able to get past the inexperience of a new or overly conservative vocational witness.  This case also demonstrates how much authority a Social Security judge has in deciding which way he will take a case.

 

What are the “Grid” Rules and Where Can I Find Them?

Jonathan, what are the grid rules you mentioned? (why is your case easier to win if you are over 50)?
–Janet

Jonathan Ginsberg responds: The “grids” are rules that can make it easier for you to be found disabled. Social Security recognizes that if you are over 50, have a limited education and have limited job skills, you will have a more difficult time re-entering the work force. Job possibilities become even harder at 55 and even more so at 60.

If you put these factors (age, education ,transferability of skills, work capacity) into a table, you can construct a grid of intersecting boxes.  Thus – the “grids.”  The official name for the grids is the “medical vocational guidelines.”

Under the grids, you can be found disabled even if you can still perform certain types of work. By contrast, cliamants under the age of 50 generally would not be found disabled if they could do any work.

The grids are a series of tables that consider these factors. You can look at the grids by clicking on the link.

Example: Under grid rule 201.04, a 55 year old individual who can perform sedentary (sit down) work who is a high school graduate, with an unskilled work background and who does not have the skills to perform semi-skilled or skilled work would be found disabled under the grids.

Note that the grid rules only apply if your medical condition limits your physical capacity for work.  You cannot “grid out” for a mental health problem.

54 Year Old With Multiple Medical Problems – What Strategy Will Work Best at a Hearing

Hi, i am waiting to see a judge ,my lawyer say’s it should be between now an aujust which would be 16 mths.since i filed appeal. I am 53 ,wil be 54 in oct.I Have type 2 diabetes insulin dependent twice daily,high blood pressure,diabetic neuropathy,osteoarthritis in knees an hands,herniated dics in neck that causes both arms to go numb at anytime.I have medical records to back -up all conditions.My meds are humlin-r an humlin-n insulin twice aday,lisinopril 20mg,1 tablet once daily.My pain management doc. treats me for neuropathy and herniated dics,an arthritis with,5mgs methadone 1tablet 4xaday an neurotin 600mgs 4xaday.I will be treated by him from know on.He supports my claim.Wanted to know do i have a good chance at getting my dis.I have excellent work history for the last 8 yrs. says my lawyer.My family doc. knows i am filing dis . but do not know if her office will let her write a letter,her pa asked me was i filing disability an she was in the exam room also, don’t know what that ment.At any rate my pain management doctor will support me.Are my chances good?

Jonathan Ginsberg responds: Based on what you have written, I think you have a strong case.  What I would want to know relates to the specific symptoms that arise from your varoius medical conditions.  Ultimately the issue in your case will be: which condition or conditions creates limitations that would most impact you in a simple, sit-down type of job.

For example, your diabetes may create periodic vision problems and periodic numbness in your hands and feet.  Your herniated discs may limit you to four hours total sitting during a day and might require you to lie down for 30 minutes every three hours.  Your pain and/or your medications may cause a significant interference with your ability to concentrate. 

Hopefully, you can see that I am focusing on limitations that would impact you if you tried to work a simple job.  Remember, Social Security is mainly about work capacity.

Best of luck to you.

[tags] case strategy, herniated discs, diabetes, Social Security disability, SSDI [/tags]

 

Pre-hearing Conference to Expedite Hearing Decision

I have a question. My attorney’s paralegal called me last week and told me that my attorney and an administrative law judge will meet to discuss my case (without me) in an effort to make a decision quicker. She said that if the law judge ruled in favor of my case, that would be it. She said, if he or she ruled against me we would wait for our hearing as we have been waiting for the past two years. Does this make sense? Have you heard of this? thank you.

–Sheila

Jonathan Ginsberg responds:  Sheila, what you are describing is something called a "pre-hearing conference."   Pre-hearing conferences are a little unusual in Social Security cases, but certainly not improper.  A pre-hearing conference can be requested by a lawyer to speed up the process or it can be requested by the judge.   Sometimes judges will flag certain cases for pre-hearing because they look strong enough to be granted "on-the-record" without the need for a hearing.

In my experience, judges will use a pre-hearing conference to approve a case or to narrow the issues.  For example, the judge may be prepared to approve your case, but he may want to change the onset date for your disability.

Generally, it is good news if the judge wants to hold a pre-hearing conference.  Your lawyer can tell you what happened and hopefully, you will be on the road to an earlier approval.

[tags] pre-hearing conference, administrative law judge, on-the-record decision, Social Security, Social Security disability, SSI [/tags]

How I Won a Disability Hearing for a Deceased Claimant

With delays in the Social Security disability adjudication process taking as long as three years, it is inevitable that a claimant will pass away while waiting for a hearing.  Today, I tried a disability case for one of those individuals.

My client initially met with me in June of 2004 and he passed away in January of 2006 at age 60.  The hearing held today, therefore, covered a closed period of disability from his onset date (September, 2000) through the date of his death in January, 2006.  Although my client passed away, his claim for disability benefits remained active, with his wife being substituted as the claimant.

My client died of a heart attack, although cardiac problems were not the basis of his disability claim.  Instead, his claim for disability arose from mental health issues – severe depression, anxiety, panic disorder and bi-polar condition.  My client was a highly educated individual – and he had graduated from college and law school (although he never practiced law).  His past work was in the banking industry where he worked at a very high level position and was responsible for millions of dollars.

When I originally met with this gentleman he told me that he had been fighting symptoms of depression and panic for several years, but that by September, 2000, he had reached the point where he was unable to function.  After being fired from his last banking job, he had worked part time managing investments for a few relatives and close friends.

The medical record from the treating psychiatrist was fairly solid, and it showed regular, on-going treatment and high levels of powerful psychotropic medications.  The record also hinted at the occasional overuse of alcohol, although in my view the mental health problems existed independently of any alcohol issues.  As you  may know a claimant is prohibited from collecting disability benefits if the judge finds that alcohol abuse is a “material contributing factor” to a his disability.

I met with my client’s widow a little over a week prior to the hearing and we practiced the questions she was likely to face.  I expected that the issue of alcohol use would be a primary focus of the judge.  The judge in this case, by the way, was a new judge so I was unable to describe in much detail exactly how the hearing would be conducted.

When we got to the hearing, I learned that the judge had requested a medical expert – in this case a psychiatrist – to appear and testify.  My experience with medical experts has generally been good although adverse testimony from a medical expert will pretty much spell doom for any case.

The judge started the hearing by questioning my client’s widow about her observations regarding her husband’s behavior.  I felt that as a witness, my client’s widow was nervous and she almost seemed reluctant to speak badly of her late husband.  Although she hinted at several significant behaviorial problems, I felt like we needed to get some of those issues more clearly on the record.

Because she and I had spoken at length about specific incidents where my client had acted inappropriately or in a bizarre manner, I asked a few questions that were probably leading in nature.  Fortunately, my client’s widow saw where I was headed with this and she clearly related several stories describing behavior that indicated a severe underlying mental health problem.

The medical expert testified that the psychiatric record was very comprehensive and entirely consistent with my client’s testimony.  He also pointed out that the large number of medications my client was consuming would have significant work limitations.  He concluded by stating that he felt my client met the listing at 12.04 for bi-polar disorder.

The medical expert also took notice of my client’s educational achievements and his work history.  In my mind the implication was clear – a highly educated and well compensated professional would not give up his career with the hope that he would recover Social Security benefits.s

The judge accepted the medical expert’s testimony and issued a bench decision approving the claim.

I think that the factors that were extremely persuasive here included:

  • my client’s work and education background – helped establish credibility
  • the medication list
  • the record of consistent treatment – monthly visits to the psychiatrist since the onset date
  • the witness’ testimony regarding incidents of behavior inconsistent with competitive work
Top